On 2 September 2015 at 21:07, Kehoe, Ben via ros-users < ros-users@lists.ros.org> wrote: > If the mailing list is being overhauled a little for the purposes of noise > reduction, I'd like to put forward the idea of changing the name from > ros-users to ros-announcements or something along those lines, to reduce > the number of emails asking ROS questions that belong on Stack Overflow. > on ROS Answers! :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: BiggsGeoffrey > Sent: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 22:20:47 +0000 > To: Sachin Chitta , Tully Foote > , Stephan Opfer >, > "User discussions" > Subject: Re: [ros-users] Please create topics for this mailinglist > Message-ID: > < > KAWPR01MB00172747D8864E6D67373C1AB26A0@KAWPR01MB0017.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The below proposal is sound, I think. It would solve the apparent problem > (in the eyes of a growing number of people) of things like unwanted job > advertisements. It's no work for those who are happy with the list as it is > now, while allowing those who are not to deal with the problem as they see > it. Everyone wins (except perhaps Tully ;). > > One thing that seems obvious but should be stated for clarity: The default > setting for "Do you want to receive messages that do not match any topic > filter?" should be to set to "yes" and the default for topic-matched > messages should also be set to "receive". > > Geoff > > ________________________________________ > From: ros-users on behalf of Stephan > Opfer via ros-users > Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2015 5:11 p.m. > To: Sachin Chitta; Tully Foote; User discussions > Subject: Re: [ros-users] Please create topics for this mailinglist > > Hi folks, > > hmmm, a more complete proposal... let's give it a try. :) > > I would suggest to introduce the following topics: > > [meetings]: > Meetings is for announcing meetings/conferences etc. Like ROSCon, local > ROS-Usergroup meetings, other robotic related meetings, and conferences. > > [jobs]: > Here companies and research institutes announce job offers. > > [software]: > You have a new ROS package to announce? This is the topic you should use. > I think about announcements like: "We developed a new XYZ-SLAM algorithm. > The documentation is available here... etc." > > Everything else can still be posted without any topic. If it seems > necessary to use further topics in future, we can add them on demand. > > The official documentation about mailman topics can be found here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.list.org_DOC_Mailman-25202.1-2520Members-2520Manual-23A9-5FMailing-5Flist-5Ftopics&d=BQICAg&c=jIGm9aumLIlctTGl0fKZ3w&r=T9jHm7ibePdwbSCEamc-yiG1bmJMRzNGhgc3abMXR8s&m=-vIi0Zhidly1WsPK6oZt1JvaiVmBXIvTNJ0PH6u7ku4&s=HXk_amTY10474izumw0tnfv8GJnh80H_Jh_d33RAb5M&e= > > > Things that topics would change: > > 1) Those who want to receive every mail as before, nothing has to be done. > > 2) Those who want to announce job offers (or something else related to > another topic), need to use the [jobs] topic, in order to reach those who > are only subscribed to the [jobs] topic. Missing to add the topic, would > mean, that those who don't want to receive job offers, receive it and those > who only want to receive job offers, don't receive it. > > 2.1) The set of strings, which will match the [job] topic, can be > described as a regular expression in mailman. This means, that the topic > can and should be made case-insensitive, as well as it should ignore > arbitrary white spaces: [ Jobs], [ jOBs ], [JOBS] ... will always be > recognized and send as [jobs] > > 3) Those who wants to use the new feature need to ... > > 3.1) ... login on " > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.ros.org_mailman_listinfo_ros-2Dusers&d=BQICAg&c=jIGm9aumLIlctTGl0fKZ3w&r=T9jHm7ibePdwbSCEamc-yiG1bmJMRzNGhgc3abMXR8s&m=-vIi0Zhidly1WsPK6oZt1JvaiVmBXIvTNJ0PH6u7ku4&s=LXAEPLRwrzm-WLO9UHx3FsQNajlCB-mDGaETvHzmqSA&e= > " by entering their registered mail address in the bottom text field and > press the "unsubscribe or edit options" button. > > 3.2) Enter their password at the top text field on the appearing page and > press the "Log in" button. > > 3.3) Scroll down on the next page until you see the two following options: > > "Which topic categories would you like to subscribe to?" -> Check the > topics you want to receive. > > "Do you want to receive messages that do not match any topic filter?" -> > Choose "yes" or "no". > > I think thats it. > > Greetings, > Stephan > > > > > > > > > > > > On 31.08.2015 20:22, Sachin Chitta wrote: > > These are the categories that robotics-worldwide uses: > > > > [meetings] [jobs] [journals] [software] [news] > > > > Seems like a good place to start. > > > > Sachin > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Tully Foote via ros-users < > ros-users@lists.ros.org > wrote: > > > > Hi Stephan, > > > > Looking at our mailman instance it does appear to support topics. > The technical process of adding them looks to be relatively simple. There's > a flip side which is it will also require updating our community policies > for posting, including educating our users how to use topics effectively, > both as posters as well as subscribers. > > > > I personally have never used topics on a mailing list and don't know > best practices and how they will effect the community. There are several > important decisions such as what are the choice of topics. Also decisions > to change topics in the future may require anyone using topics to log in > and update their subscription settings which suboptimal, since it looks > like if you select to subscribe to specific topics everything else gets > dropped. Similarly there are statements in the documentation about messages > being sent not being delivered to the list if not categorized. > > > > If you'd be willing to put together a more complete proposal and > possibly link to some resources for people to learn about mailman topics. > That will make it clearer to the community what the implications would be, > and that would help us find a path forward. > > > > Tully > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Stephan Opfer via ros-users < > ros-users@lists.ros.org > wrote: > > > > My original idea, was to suggest, that the list admin presses 3 > buttons and enters some topics. That alone would change nothing for > anybody, except for those who don't want to receive certain topics. They > could make the list not even deliver the mails to their mail-server, in > order to save resources like memory, traffic, etc. > > > > If it is not that easy, as I thought, I will create local > message filters, which delete certain topics. > > > > So @listadmin: Please just give me feedback on that. > > > > Greetings, > > Stephan > > > > > > On 25.08.2015 19 :03, Scott C. Livingston > via ros-users wrote: > > > > The OP was about adding topic prefixes, e.g., as on the > > robotics-worldwide mailing list, > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__duerer.usc.edu_pip > > ermail_robotics-2Dworldwide_2013-2DSeptember_007064.html&d=BQICAg&c=jI > > Gm9aumLIlctTGl0fKZ3w&r=T9jHm7ibePdwbSCEamc-yiG1bmJMRzNGhgc3abMXR8s&m=- > > vIi0Zhidly1WsPK6oZt1JvaiVmBXIvTNJ0PH6u7ku4&s=EXM-Ci02o_1RaG7-DCLnQAm5x > > lZq-q64FluxbyJFuKM&e= > > > > There is no need for a new account, etc. > > > > ~Scott > > _______________________________________________ > > ros-users mailing list > > ros-users@lists.ros.org > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.ros.org_mail > > man_listinfo_ros-2Dusers&d=BQICAg&c=jIGm9aumLIlctTGl0fKZ3w&r=T9jHm7ibe > > PdwbSCEamc-yiG1bmJMRzNGhgc3abMXR8s&m=-vIi0Zhidly1WsPK6oZt1JvaiVmBXIvTN > > J0PH6u7ku4&s=LXAEPLRwrzm-WLO9UHx3FsQNajlCB-mDGaETvHzmqSA&e= > > > > > > > > -- > > Distributed Systems Research Group > > Stephan Opfer T. +49 561 804-6283 > F. +49 561 804-6277 > > Univ. 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