<div dir="ltr">A prerelease which requires changes across more then one package would then not be possible anymore.<div><br></div><div>- Dirk</div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Austin Hendrix via ros-release <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ros-release@lists.ros.org" target="_blank">ros-release@lists.ros.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">For test builds for PRs, why not do the test (deb)build against the stable repository, instead of shadow-fixed or building?<br>
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It won't catch issues caused by changes in upstream packages, but by testing against stable you should always have dependencies available (and it's stable, so the dependencies are less likely to be broken).<br>
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On 11/16/2015 10:39 AM, Tully Foote via ros-release wrote:<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
Indeed we agree that getting more prereleases run is important. That's why we've worked very hard to make sure that it as well as all the jobs are reproducible.<br>
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The web hosted solution has elements which are nice for users. However, it was an expensive pain to maintain. It also provided an inconsistent user experience, especially if there's a large delay due to waiting for yours or others jobs to run. As long as it's reproducible it's better to users leverage their own resources and know reliably when things will run.<br>
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For preventing broken releases I do also want to integrate test builds into the PR validation. It will more likely be a test debbuild rather than a prerelease. And it has trouble if the buildfarm is in the middle of a large rebuild and all the dependencies are not immediately available.<br>
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Tully<br>
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:16 AM, Daniel Stonier <<a href="mailto:d.stonier@gmail.com" target="_blank">d.stonier@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:d.stonier@gmail.com" target="_blank">d.stonier@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Aye, thanks from me too.<br>
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I'd like to +1 Jack's comments about preferring the web service<br>
that was previously available.<br>
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1. Getting things right on one web server somewhere is always<br>
going to be far easier than getting it right on thousands of users<br>
systems. Even if docker does make this proposition easier, what we<br>
have seen above is it still gets awkward when the dependencies<br>
shift (e.g. needing a custom version of docker). I also ran into<br>
problems because of python3 interfering with my environment.<br>
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2. Getting users to pre-release is a desirable thing. Less<br>
rosdistro PR's to approve, less red blips on the build chart, less<br>
latency for Tully to wrap up an official release into public. The<br>
less barriers there are for them to do this, I feel the better and<br>
easier the maintainence will be.<br>
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Daniel.<br>
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On 27 October 2015 at 06:12, Mani Monajjemi via ros-release<br></span><span class="">
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Thanks Tully. pre-release script now works fine without any issue.<br>
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- Mani<br>
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Tully Foote via ros-release<br></span>
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I've pushed ros_buildfarm 0.2.1 it should now be usable<br>
from the debian packages.<br>
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Tully<br>
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:42 AM, William Woodall via<br>
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Jack O'Quin via<br>
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Daniel Stonier<br>
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It has been a while since I've built open<br>
source debs, but this is above and beyond the<br>
effort required to prerelease for me though.<br>
It used to be such a fundamental part of the<br>
process - what is the current thinking? Given<br>
that its been out for at least three months,<br>
are most people just guessing, rebuilding on<br>
the farm, guessing again? Is there a planned<br>
remedy on the horizon?<br>
<br>
<br>
Basically, yes.<br>
<br>
Presently, the pre-release tests take more effort<br>
than just hoping for the best and then fixing<br>
things that break.<br>
<br>
<br>
Why? I've been using them for rviz and it seems to<br>
work fairly well. What's holding up making them<br>
useful? It is just the need to install it into a<br>
virtualenv first?<br>
<br>
My 2 cents - I'd really love to see this<br>
working again ;) ;) ;) ;)<br>
<br>
<br>
Again, what's not working? Is there an issue on Github<br>
tracking the problem?<br>
<br>
<br>
Saves alot of time for me not having to ping<br>
pong back and forth trying to get my<br>
dependencies right and I'm sure it makes the<br>
job easier on the other end avoiding having so<br>
many red blips on the radar so often.<br>
<br>
<br>
+1 I would find it helpful, too. I much prefer<br>
running the tests.<br>
<br>
The pre-docker web interface was very convenient.<br>
I think this could be, too, although it's annoying<br>
that the Trusty version of docker is too old to use.<br>
<br>
<br>
There's nothing to be done about that unfortunately.<br>
<br>
-- joq<br>
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