[ros-users] Please create topics for this mailinglist
BiggsGeoffrey
geoffrey.biggs at aist.go.jp
Tue Sep 1 22:20:47 UTC 2015
The below proposal is sound, I think. It would solve the apparent problem (in the eyes of a growing number of people) of things like unwanted job advertisements. It's no work for those who are happy with the list as it is now, while allowing those who are not to deal with the problem as they see it. Everyone wins (except perhaps Tully ;).
One thing that seems obvious but should be stated for clarity: The default setting for "Do you want to receive messages that do not match any topic filter?" should be to set to "yes" and the default for topic-matched messages should also be set to "receive".
Geoff
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To: Sachin Chitta; Tully Foote; User discussions
Subject: Re: [ros-users] Please create topics for this mailinglist
Hi folks,
hmmm, a more complete proposal... let's give it a try. :)
I would suggest to introduce the following topics:
[meetings]:
Meetings is for announcing meetings/conferences etc. Like ROSCon, local ROS-Usergroup meetings, other robotic related meetings, and conferences.
[jobs]:
Here companies and research institutes announce job offers.
[software]:
You have a new ROS package to announce? This is the topic you should use. I think about announcements like: "We developed a new XYZ-SLAM algorithm. The documentation is available here... etc."
Everything else can still be posted without any topic. If it seems necessary to use further topics in future, we can add them on demand.
The official documentation about mailman topics can be found here: http://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%202.1%20Members%20Manual#A9_Mailing_list_topics
Things that topics would change:
1) Those who want to receive every mail as before, nothing has to be done.
2) Those who want to announce job offers (or something else related to another topic), need to use the [jobs] topic, in order to reach those who are only subscribed to the [jobs] topic. Missing to add the topic, would mean, that those who don't want to receive job offers, receive it and those who only want to receive job offers, don't receive it.
2.1) The set of strings, which will match the [job] topic, can be described as a regular expression in mailman. This means, that the topic can and should be made case-insensitive, as well as it should ignore arbitrary white spaces: [ Jobs], [ jOBs ], [JOBS] ... will always be recognized and send as [jobs]
3) Those who wants to use the new feature need to ...
3.1) ... login on "http://lists.ros.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-users" by entering their registered mail address in the bottom text field and press the "unsubscribe or edit options" button.
3.2) Enter their password at the top text field on the appearing page and press the "Log in" button.
3.3) Scroll down on the next page until you see the two following options:
"Which topic categories would you like to subscribe to?" -> Check the topics you want to receive.
"Do you want to receive messages that do not match any topic filter?" -> Choose "yes" or "no".
I think thats it.
Greetings,
Stephan
On 31.08.2015 20:22, Sachin Chitta wrote:
> These are the categories that robotics-worldwide uses:
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> [meetings] [jobs] [journals] [software] [news]
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> Seems like a good place to start.
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> Sachin
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> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Tully Foote via ros-users <ros-users at lists.ros.org <mailto:ros-users at lists.ros.org>> wrote:
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> Hi Stephan,
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> Looking at our mailman instance it does appear to support topics. The technical process of adding them looks to be relatively simple. There's a flip side which is it will also require updating our community policies for posting, including educating our users how to use topics effectively, both as posters as well as subscribers.
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> I personally have never used topics on a mailing list and don't know best practices and how they will effect the community. There are several important decisions such as what are the choice of topics. Also decisions to change topics in the future may require anyone using topics to log in and update their subscription settings which suboptimal, since it looks like if you select to subscribe to specific topics everything else gets dropped. Similarly there are statements in the documentation about messages being sent not being delivered to the list if not categorized.
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> If you'd be willing to put together a more complete proposal and possibly link to some resources for people to learn about mailman topics. That will make it clearer to the community what the implications would be, and that would help us find a path forward.
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> Tully
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> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Stephan Opfer via ros-users <ros-users at lists.ros.org <mailto:ros-users at lists.ros.org>> wrote:
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> My original idea, was to suggest, that the list admin presses 3 buttons and enters some topics. That alone would change nothing for anybody, except for those who don't want to receive certain topics. They could make the list not even deliver the mails to their mail-server, in order to save resources like memory, traffic, etc.
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> If it is not that easy, as I thought, I will create local message filters, which delete certain topics.
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> So @listadmin: Please just give me feedback on that.
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> Greetings,
> Stephan
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> On 25.08.2015 19 <tel:25.08.2015%2019>:03, Scott C. Livingston via ros-users wrote:
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> The OP was about adding topic prefixes, e.g., as on the
> robotics-worldwide mailing list,
> http://duerer.usc.edu/pipermail/robotics-worldwide/2013-September/007064.html
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> There is no need for a new account, etc.
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> ~Scott
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