[ros-users] Please create topics for this mailinglist
Marcus Liebhardt
marcus.liebhardt at yujinrobot.com
Thu Sep 3 01:38:24 UTC 2015
On 2 September 2015 at 21:07, Kehoe, Ben via ros-users <
ros-users at lists.ros.org> wrote:
> If the mailing list is being overhauled a little for the purposes of noise
> reduction, I'd like to put forward the idea of changing the name from
> ros-users to ros-announcements or something along those lines, to reduce
> the number of emails asking ROS questions that belong on Stack Overflow.
>
on ROS Answers! :-)
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> From: BiggsGeoffrey <geoffrey.biggs at aist.go.jp>
> Sent: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 22:20:47 +0000
> To: Sachin Chitta <robot.moveit at gmail.com>, Tully Foote
> <tfoote at osrfoundation.org>, Stephan Opfer <opfer at vs.uni-kassel.de
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> The below proposal is sound, I think. It would solve the apparent problem
> (in the eyes of a growing number of people) of things like unwanted job
> advertisements. It's no work for those who are happy with the list as it is
> now, while allowing those who are not to deal with the problem as they see
> it. Everyone wins (except perhaps Tully ;).
>
> One thing that seems obvious but should be stated for clarity: The default
> setting for "Do you want to receive messages that do not match any topic
> filter?" should be to set to "yes" and the default for topic-matched
> messages should also be set to "receive".
>
> Geoff
>
> ________________________________________
> From: ros-users <ros-users-bounces at lists.ros.org> on behalf of Stephan
> Opfer via ros-users <ros-users at lists.ros.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2015 5:11 p.m.
> To: Sachin Chitta; Tully Foote; User discussions
> Subject: Re: [ros-users] Please create topics for this mailinglist
>
> Hi folks,
>
> hmmm, a more complete proposal... let's give it a try. :)
>
> I would suggest to introduce the following topics:
>
> [meetings]:
> Meetings is for announcing meetings/conferences etc. Like ROSCon, local
> ROS-Usergroup meetings, other robotic related meetings, and conferences.
>
> [jobs]:
> Here companies and research institutes announce job offers.
>
> [software]:
> You have a new ROS package to announce? This is the topic you should use.
> I think about announcements like: "We developed a new XYZ-SLAM algorithm.
> The documentation is available here... etc."
>
> Everything else can still be posted without any topic. If it seems
> necessary to use further topics in future, we can add them on demand.
>
> The official documentation about mailman topics can be found here:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.list.org_DOC_Mailman-25202.1-2520Members-2520Manual-23A9-5FMailing-5Flist-5Ftopics&d=BQICAg&c=jIGm9aumLIlctTGl0fKZ3w&r=T9jHm7ibePdwbSCEamc-yiG1bmJMRzNGhgc3abMXR8s&m=-vIi0Zhidly1WsPK6oZt1JvaiVmBXIvTNJ0PH6u7ku4&s=HXk_amTY10474izumw0tnfv8GJnh80H_Jh_d33RAb5M&e=
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> Things that topics would change:
>
> 1) Those who want to receive every mail as before, nothing has to be done.
>
> 2) Those who want to announce job offers (or something else related to
> another topic), need to use the [jobs] topic, in order to reach those who
> are only subscribed to the [jobs] topic. Missing to add the topic, would
> mean, that those who don't want to receive job offers, receive it and those
> who only want to receive job offers, don't receive it.
>
> 2.1) The set of strings, which will match the [job] topic, can be
> described as a regular expression in mailman. This means, that the topic
> can and should be made case-insensitive, as well as it should ignore
> arbitrary white spaces: [ Jobs], [ jOBs ], [JOBS] ... will always be
> recognized and send as [jobs]
>
> 3) Those who wants to use the new feature need to ...
>
> 3.1) ... login on "
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.ros.org_mailman_listinfo_ros-2Dusers&d=BQICAg&c=jIGm9aumLIlctTGl0fKZ3w&r=T9jHm7ibePdwbSCEamc-yiG1bmJMRzNGhgc3abMXR8s&m=-vIi0Zhidly1WsPK6oZt1JvaiVmBXIvTNJ0PH6u7ku4&s=LXAEPLRwrzm-WLO9UHx3FsQNajlCB-mDGaETvHzmqSA&e=
> " by entering their registered mail address in the bottom text field and
> press the "unsubscribe or edit options" button.
>
> 3.2) Enter their password at the top text field on the appearing page and
> press the "Log in" button.
>
> 3.3) Scroll down on the next page until you see the two following options:
>
> "Which topic categories would you like to subscribe to?" -> Check the
> topics you want to receive.
>
> "Do you want to receive messages that do not match any topic filter?" ->
> Choose "yes" or "no".
>
> I think thats it.
>
> Greetings,
> Stephan
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> On 31.08.2015 20:22, Sachin Chitta wrote:
> > These are the categories that robotics-worldwide uses:
> >
> > [meetings] [jobs] [journals] [software] [news]
> >
> > Seems like a good place to start.
> >
> > Sachin
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Tully Foote via ros-users <
> ros-users at lists.ros.org <mailto:ros-users at lists.ros.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Stephan,
> >
> > Looking at our mailman instance it does appear to support topics.
> The technical process of adding them looks to be relatively simple. There's
> a flip side which is it will also require updating our community policies
> for posting, including educating our users how to use topics effectively,
> both as posters as well as subscribers.
> >
> > I personally have never used topics on a mailing list and don't know
> best practices and how they will effect the community. There are several
> important decisions such as what are the choice of topics. Also decisions
> to change topics in the future may require anyone using topics to log in
> and update their subscription settings which suboptimal, since it looks
> like if you select to subscribe to specific topics everything else gets
> dropped. Similarly there are statements in the documentation about messages
> being sent not being delivered to the list if not categorized.
> >
> > If you'd be willing to put together a more complete proposal and
> possibly link to some resources for people to learn about mailman topics.
> That will make it clearer to the community what the implications would be,
> and that would help us find a path forward.
> >
> > Tully
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Stephan Opfer via ros-users <
> ros-users at lists.ros.org <mailto:ros-users at lists.ros.org>> wrote:
> >
> > My original idea, was to suggest, that the list admin presses 3
> buttons and enters some topics. That alone would change nothing for
> anybody, except for those who don't want to receive certain topics. They
> could make the list not even deliver the mails to their mail-server, in
> order to save resources like memory, traffic, etc.
> >
> > If it is not that easy, as I thought, I will create local
> message filters, which delete certain topics.
> >
> > So @listadmin: Please just give me feedback on that.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> > On 25.08.2015 19 <tel:25.08.2015%2019>:03, Scott C. Livingston
> via ros-users wrote:
> >
> > The OP was about adding topic prefixes, e.g., as on the
> > robotics-worldwide mailing list,
> >
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> > There is no need for a new account, etc.
> >
> > ~Scott
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