[ros-users] Upcoming suspention of debian packaging for EOL Ubuntu distros

[Dirk Thomas]

@Severin: Currently the following ROS packages are in Debian and will
likely be imported for Xenial: http://pastebin.com/aVk8Wy6q As you can see
it is only a very small number of packages (~ROS base). OSRF will continue
to ship its own Debian packages for a very simple reason: we need to be
able to release patches which the Debian policy doesn't allow. If you look
at the ROS base packages in Indigo and how they evolved over the life time
it is obvious that we need this ability.


@Mike: I completely see your point. Imo the Python tools should be made
available as soon as a new Ubuntu distro becomes available (basically
before it is even alpha). But when I suggested this before is was decided
not to be a priority. Maybe you can express this on the Kinetic release
ticket (https://github.com/ros/rosdistro/issues/9945) so that it will be
added to the procedure for the next Ubuntu distro.

Thank you,
- Dirk



On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Mike Purvis via ros-users <
ros-users at lists.ros.org> wrote:

> You can obviously build desktop-full on Wily from source— us Mac users are used
> to doing that all the time
> <https://github.com/mikepurvis/ros-install-osx/blob/feb2e9075ca1061274ec84343a704240efb351f1/install#L124>.
> Though it's a bummer that the independent bootstrapping packages
> (python-rosdep, python-rosinstall-generator, python-catkin-tools, etc)
> aren't actually available as debs for Wily, so you do have to get them from
> pip.
>
> M.
>
> On 4 February 2016 at 04:50, Séverin Lemaignan <ros-users at lists.ros.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tully,
>>
>> What about the effort to mainline ROS in Debian? Things have been
>> progressing nicely (debian unstable now has a 'ros-desktop-full' package
>> [1] -- I'm not sure however how much of ROS is actually packaged), and I
>> wondered if the OSRF is officially endorsing or going to endorse this
>> endeavour.
>>
>> --- btw, if I get this right, this may mean that in Ubuntu 16.04 (or
>> possibly 16.10), users are likely going to face a choice between
>> ros-kame-desktop-full (OSRF packages) and ros-desktop-full (Debian mainline
>> packages)... some confusion in perspective!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Séverin
>>
>> [1] https://packages.debian.org/sid/ros-desktop-full
>>
>> On 04/02/16 04:22, Tully Foote via ros-users wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You're right that there's a bit of a gap. This gap was discussed during
>>> the
>>> decision to slow down our release cycle. Unfortunately, that's basically
>>> an
>>> artifact of Ubuntu dropping their regular release support periods to
>>> only 9
>>> months and our yearly release cycle. This leaves us with a gap since
>>> there
>>> is no Ubuntu release except the LTS which spans the full year between our
>>> releases.
>>>
>>> There's been a few questions in the past about the effort to add a new
>>> target platform. And the general answer is that it's approximately the
>>> same
>>> effort as spinning up a new distro. All the maintainers must go through
>>> their packages in dependency order and rerelease them after verifying
>>> them
>>> against their updated dependencies. With the strong feedback from the
>>> community to slow down the release process there's basically no way to
>>> cover the gap.
>>>
>>> And when you look at doing that we are about to spin up that process for
>>> Kinetic Kame, which will support Wily and Xenial. Thus we would be asking
>>> all the maintainers to do twice as much work. In the not too distant
>>> future
>>> we do expect to have early test releases of Kinetic available for Wily. I
>>> would rather ask people to put their effort into Kinetic and make our
>>> next
>>> LTS even more solid. We've seen a lot of people sticking to Trusty-Indigo
>>> and expect them to be jumping directly to Xenial-Kinetic.
>>>
>>> Expect to hear more about Kinetic soon. We've been preparing for it in
>>> the
>>> background [1] but will be kicking off officially shortly.
>>>
>>
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